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09/10/2007

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Dom Sumners

sorry John but you lost me about 12 words into this

John Whitehurst

sorry - am i rambling again

we need to invest more in research and testing of websites to sort the user experience for candidates.

agencies need to factor in the need for a new sort of creative process to deal with this.

plus we need to improve the knowledge of HR in agencies as it is more and more important to integrate this with the communications.

i will remove my head from my arse and try to write things in english :-)

if i ever do - please tell me as it will be a first

John

Matt

Interesting post and summary. I've always been surprised that this whole incident wasn't discussed more within the online recruitment community. One of the points you haven't touched on is something I did see on a blog a few months ago. Unfortunately I can't now find it again! It talked about the whole procurement process for the project and highlighted something that is unfortunately very common. There was a significantly longer time allocated to choosing a supplier then the supplier was allocated to research and scope the project. Although there were wider issues it is really not surprising that things with this system fell apart at even the basic level. What I think you should add to your points John, is that both client and agency need to realise that proper scoping time is key and not just a nice to have.

dom sumners

john - good summary and interesting points - thanks for taking the comment as lightheartedly as it was intended!
I think the expertise needs to grow in agencies but combined with an increase in our ability to persuade our clients to do the things we believe/know are the right approach. And i do accept that commercial pressures for us all does not always allow this.

Ben

Usability is a huge discussion point all on its own though John - and interesting that you bring it up here.

It's something that often gets swept under the carpet and replaced with 'but I want it to move, and look clever, like that (pointing to another persons' site)'. And there's a subtle balance that we need to achieve in our work.

Totally agree that research is one of the most important elements, and something that should be factored in, but as is often the case, budget (both in terms of money, and time), is not always as available for this as it should be.

This is a subject that I feel quite strongly about - making a site, and the content within, usable and accessible, and not trying to focus all our efforts on shoe-horning in the latest technology 'because we can'.

Now that I'm out of the fun summer of graduate website deliveries, I'll see if I can post a few strings to get the debate going on usability vs creativity. I'm sure we can achieve a happy balance in this process, but often it seems that creativity outweighs usability, unfortunately at the cost of the end-user experience.

Anyway, thanks for summarising John, and thanks for asking for the summary Dom.

John Whitehurst

With writing skills like mine you get used to writing things over and over again.

Some interesting points on this from everyone ... commercial constraints, lack of planning and usability.

Usability is a big point to look at ... i get wound up by both sides on this.

Usability and great design should go hand in hand - I am just about to start insulting websites (SO I WILL STOP).

But next time you do a search on google ... check the logo extension and then try to agrue back that usability and great design can not go hand in hand.

I keep on seeing it again and agan - people look at a site as an advert - IT IS NOT.

IT IS A PIECE OF SOFTWARE ... a different aproach is needed.

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